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Turtles All The Way Down: Vaccine Science and Myth
If you are reading this, you are probably aware of the fierce debate surrounding vaccination and looking for information that will allow you to make the best decisions for yourself and your loved ones. Whether you are a parent or a parent to be, sorting through the many arguments on vaccines can be daunting. Still, you need an answer, a definitive one, to the crucial Who has it right in the great vaccine debate – the critics, who claim that vaccines often cause serious harm, or the medical establishment, which tells us that vaccines are safe and effective and the science is settled?
Rest assured, you have come to the right place. Turtles All the Way Vaccine Science and Myth will resolve the vaccine question for you, once and for all. By the time you finish reading, not only will you see the answer clearly for yourself, you will also have the scientific references and specific quotes at your disposal that prove it – more than 1,200 of them – all from mainstream scientific papers and textbooks, the official publications of relevant government agencies, or manufacturers’ documents.
The book consolidates a great deal of information (accompanied by detailed analysis) that is scattered in hundreds of medical articles, books, and websites. All discussion is presented in clear and easy-to-understand language, so no medical education is required. It presents several original concepts in addition to laying a robust scientific foundation for the more established ones.
Some of the fundamental vaccine safety issues covered in the book is safety demonstrated before a new vaccine is licensed? What technique do vaccine manufacturers use in clinical trials to make vaccines appear safer than they actually are?What “last ditch” technique is employed when the above one cannot be, and what are its grave (and damning) ethical implications?What is the scientific foundation of the safety of vaccination, and what practical tools does this body of science provide physicians to anticipate, diagnose, and treat vaccine injury?What fundamental flaws are built into vaccine adverse events reporting systems, and how are these systems used (or misused) by health authorities to support their safety claims?What kinds of post-marketing vaccine studies are conducted, and how can they be manipulated by researchers to produce “favorable” outcomes?Why would researchers want to skew vaccine research, and how could skewed results be promulgated by the scientific community?Why would medical journals publish faulty vaccine science? What is the role of the famed “peer review” in this process?What are “the studies that will never be done” by the medical establishment and how long it has resisted doing them? ( more than 100 years!)What key CDC-recommended childhood vaccination guidelines were arbitrarily set, without an adequate scientific basis?
In addition, three cornerstones of vaccination lore are covered in is herd immunity, and how does it apply (or not) to the vaccines on the childhood schedule?What role did vaccines actually play in the historical decline of infectious disease?Was the paralysis associated with polio actually caused by the poliovirus? Is there a better explanation for the great paralysis epidemics of the 20th century? What are the “19 polio mysteries”?
The book is intended for parents overwhelmed by conflicting messaging on this important topic, but it is also an excellent reference for medical researchers and professionals who seek a better unders
Rest assured, you have come to the right place. Turtles All the Way Vaccine Science and Myth will resolve the vaccine question for you, once and for all. By the time you finish reading, not only will you see the answer clearly for yourself, you will also have the scientific references and specific quotes at your disposal that prove it – more than 1,200 of them – all from mainstream scientific papers and textbooks, the official publications of relevant government agencies, or manufacturers’ documents.
The book consolidates a great deal of information (accompanied by detailed analysis) that is scattered in hundreds of medical articles, books, and websites. All discussion is presented in clear and easy-to-understand language, so no medical education is required. It presents several original concepts in addition to laying a robust scientific foundation for the more established ones.
Some of the fundamental vaccine safety issues covered in the book is safety demonstrated before a new vaccine is licensed? What technique do vaccine manufacturers use in clinical trials to make vaccines appear safer than they actually are?What “last ditch” technique is employed when the above one cannot be, and what are its grave (and damning) ethical implications?What is the scientific foundation of the safety of vaccination, and what practical tools does this body of science provide physicians to anticipate, diagnose, and treat vaccine injury?What fundamental flaws are built into vaccine adverse events reporting systems, and how are these systems used (or misused) by health authorities to support their safety claims?What kinds of post-marketing vaccine studies are conducted, and how can they be manipulated by researchers to produce “favorable” outcomes?Why would researchers want to skew vaccine research, and how could skewed results be promulgated by the scientific community?Why would medical journals publish faulty vaccine science? What is the role of the famed “peer review” in this process?What are “the studies that will never be done” by the medical establishment and how long it has resisted doing them? ( more than 100 years!)What key CDC-recommended childhood vaccination guidelines were arbitrarily set, without an adequate scientific basis?
In addition, three cornerstones of vaccination lore are covered in is herd immunity, and how does it apply (or not) to the vaccines on the childhood schedule?What role did vaccines actually play in the historical decline of infectious disease?Was the paralysis associated with polio actually caused by the poliovirus? Is there a better explanation for the great paralysis epidemics of the 20th century? What are the “19 polio mysteries”?
The book is intended for parents overwhelmed by conflicting messaging on this important topic, but it is also an excellent reference for medical researchers and professionals who seek a better unders
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September 8, 2022
An absolutely devastating takedown of the vaccine industry, especially coming on the heels of the 'safe and effective' covid shots, which are actually neither. This book was published in 2019 but just recently translated into English. None of the facts stated have been refuted by anyone in the vaccine industry.
Did you know there has never been one completely randomized control trial done with ANY of the vaccines on the market to test for safety? Not one. So efficacy aside, there is literally NO science to back up the claim that any vaccine is safe for infants, small children, or adults.
Did you know that only a small handful of the current 'required' vaccines confer any kind of herd immunity? About 70% of them possibly provide some personal protection for the recipient, but most of the target diseases are mild anyway and easily survivable, thus completely negating any kind of societal need for mass vaccination.
Did you know that the Salk and Sabin polio shots had a negligible effect on the reduction of polio cases, and in fact, there's a vast amount of evidence that points to pesticide poisoning as the cause of the paralysis heretofore attributed to polio?
Did you know that chronic conditions in children have EXPLODED in the last 60 years or so, since vaccines have been pushed on an unsuspecting public, with no honest attempt to explain or stop the explosion? Every doctor/researcher who has even tried to examine this has been discredited, blackballed, and had their studies suppressed. Government and Big Pharma fund virtually ALL scientific research and they have zero incentive to find anything negative in the vaccine program.
Run, don't walk, from anyone trying to inject your defenseless baby with any of the vaccines. The risk/benefit analysis comes down squarely on the side of not vaxxing. Do your research; do NOT listen to the pediatrician who has no training in this field. Ask the questions that are suggested in this book and see what kind of response you get.
I am convinced that my youngest child, 16 years his eldest sibling's junior, and recipient of almost 2X as many shots in infancy and early childhood, has a chronic skin condition and some minor developmental delays as a result of the aluminum, mercury, thimerisol, and other toxic poisons in the myriad shots I was ignorant enough to allow him to receive. I thank God for the fact that this is ALL he's suffering from and that he's not irredeemably harmed.
It's too late for a lot of kids, but maybe this book can educate the next generation of parents, and they can save their kids from a lifetime of illness and vaccine induced misery.
Edited to add: this was written by 'anonymous' so that the authors couldn't be destroyed by ad hominem attacks, but rather, their conclusions would have to be actually looked at and refuted. To date they have not been.
Did you know there has never been one completely randomized control trial done with ANY of the vaccines on the market to test for safety? Not one. So efficacy aside, there is literally NO science to back up the claim that any vaccine is safe for infants, small children, or adults.
Did you know that only a small handful of the current 'required' vaccines confer any kind of herd immunity? About 70% of them possibly provide some personal protection for the recipient, but most of the target diseases are mild anyway and easily survivable, thus completely negating any kind of societal need for mass vaccination.
Did you know that the Salk and Sabin polio shots had a negligible effect on the reduction of polio cases, and in fact, there's a vast amount of evidence that points to pesticide poisoning as the cause of the paralysis heretofore attributed to polio?
Did you know that chronic conditions in children have EXPLODED in the last 60 years or so, since vaccines have been pushed on an unsuspecting public, with no honest attempt to explain or stop the explosion? Every doctor/researcher who has even tried to examine this has been discredited, blackballed, and had their studies suppressed. Government and Big Pharma fund virtually ALL scientific research and they have zero incentive to find anything negative in the vaccine program.
Run, don't walk, from anyone trying to inject your defenseless baby with any of the vaccines. The risk/benefit analysis comes down squarely on the side of not vaxxing. Do your research; do NOT listen to the pediatrician who has no training in this field. Ask the questions that are suggested in this book and see what kind of response you get.
I am convinced that my youngest child, 16 years his eldest sibling's junior, and recipient of almost 2X as many shots in infancy and early childhood, has a chronic skin condition and some minor developmental delays as a result of the aluminum, mercury, thimerisol, and other toxic poisons in the myriad shots I was ignorant enough to allow him to receive. I thank God for the fact that this is ALL he's suffering from and that he's not irredeemably harmed.
It's too late for a lot of kids, but maybe this book can educate the next generation of parents, and they can save their kids from a lifetime of illness and vaccine induced misery.
Edited to add: this was written by 'anonymous' so that the authors couldn't be destroyed by ad hominem attacks, but rather, their conclusions would have to be actually looked at and refuted. To date they have not been.
August 24, 2022
It is clear that this was thoughtfully put together, and that there were likely multiple contributors. Reading through the text I could tell there was probably a bit of debate over every point and which studies were relevant and which studies should be included/excluded and the value of each source.
The format will be familiar to the philosophers out there:
Hypothesis, Best Arguments for, Best counter arguments against, Rebuttal of the counter arguments, Conclusion.
The beauty of this work, and how you can tell someone has not read the book, is by checking the citations. It's not the the writers word against one side of the medical community, it uses the statements/studies/actions of the proponents in coming to conclusions. Essentially it's the integrator approach of, It's not my word against yours, its your words against you.
It invites you to engage the actual literature, methodology, and narrative. It makes you dig into the studies, if you disagree, read the studies and refute. But, you wont get away with a statement such as "this was settled long ago."
This is not a short read, probably 500pages. If you get the kindle version you need to download the reference sheet.
Challenge your presuppositions and read the work. You don't have to agree with the conclusions but I guarantee you will learn something you did not know.
The format will be familiar to the philosophers out there:
Hypothesis, Best Arguments for, Best counter arguments against, Rebuttal of the counter arguments, Conclusion.
The beauty of this work, and how you can tell someone has not read the book, is by checking the citations. It's not the the writers word against one side of the medical community, it uses the statements/studies/actions of the proponents in coming to conclusions. Essentially it's the integrator approach of, It's not my word against yours, its your words against you.
It invites you to engage the actual literature, methodology, and narrative. It makes you dig into the studies, if you disagree, read the studies and refute. But, you wont get away with a statement such as "this was settled long ago."
This is not a short read, probably 500pages. If you get the kindle version you need to download the reference sheet.
Challenge your presuppositions and read the work. You don't have to agree with the conclusions but I guarantee you will learn something you did not know.
August 20, 2022
It is now more than three years since it was published in Israel, and still none of its claims were ever refuted.
January 18, 2023
The book is an indictment on vaccines: the falsity of their use and hiding of their harm. The long section on Polio, written like a mystery novel, could have been a book in itself:
Why did Polio epidemics emerge in the USA in the late 19th C?
Why didn't polio appear in developing countlies until the second half of the 20th C?
Why did polio epidemics strike industrilized countries in the 20th C and none the developing world?
Why did polio hit hardest in summer and early autumn?
Why did outbreaks occur in mostly sparsely populated areas?
Why were those outbreaks concurrent with paralysisi in domestic animals?
Why did polio emerge when mortality of most infectious diseases dramatically declined?
Why were high polio rates observed in Europeans in developing countries but not locals?
Why was polio higher in Western soldiers overseas but not at home?
Why was polio in officers ten times that of enlisted men?
Why were polio's disease patterns so different from other childhood infectious diseses?
Why did polio skyrocket in industrilized countries after WWII?
Why did polio epidemics occur in consecutive years rather than every few years as in the pre-war period?
Why did members of a household contract polio at the same time rather than one after each other?
The authors provide a viable explanation to these questions and points out it wasn't investigated because it meant the vaccine wasn't useful (perhaps even harmful). "The medical establishment has no interest whatsoever in reopening the closed file - or perhaps more aptly the Pandora's Box of Polio." (Page 495)
Other points/takes
· Not a single vaccine on the US CDG recommended childhood schedule has been tested against a true placebo.
· the use of this intentionally flawed trial methodology means that every vaccine on the schedule received FDA approval without a true measurement of its adverse events.
· Lack of scientific evidence makes it impossible to quantify the overall benefit (positive or negative) of the chlidhood vaccination program.
· The establishment refuses to conduct vaccinated vs unvaccinated studies, though these studies could pntentially reveal important clues regarding dramatic rise of chronic diesease in recent decades.
· Some of the vaccine combinations given routinely have never been tested for safety (for example 9 injections against 13 disease at 15 months).
· Nearly all the drop in infectious disease mortality in industrialized countries was recorded before the 1930s (before vaccines began to be used. The authors attribute this to better nutrition, sanitation and hygiene.
· Vaccines contributed only marginally to the drastic reduction in mortality. See graphs pages 275-283.
· At the same time that intimidating infectious diseases were gradually disappearing, chronic disease began to rise.
· Presently social costs for the "silent epidemic" of chronic disease far exceed those of infectious disease.
· Of the 14 vaccines on the CDC recommended childhood vaccine schedule only five clear the herd immunity bar. The remaining nine either are either unable to generate herd immunity or the protfotion is either partial or inconsequential.
· the assertation that vaccines' benefits outweigh their harms is not supported by solid scientific evidence.
· The scientific story that polio presents a samblance of worthy theory is full of holes, speculations, contradictions and mysteries.
When public debates gained traction "The entire vaccination construction was suddenly in serious jeopardy of being exposed as the giant fraud it is." (Page 512)
Why did Polio epidemics emerge in the USA in the late 19th C?
Why didn't polio appear in developing countlies until the second half of the 20th C?
Why did polio epidemics strike industrilized countries in the 20th C and none the developing world?
Why did polio hit hardest in summer and early autumn?
Why did outbreaks occur in mostly sparsely populated areas?
Why were those outbreaks concurrent with paralysisi in domestic animals?
Why did polio emerge when mortality of most infectious diseases dramatically declined?
Why were high polio rates observed in Europeans in developing countries but not locals?
Why was polio higher in Western soldiers overseas but not at home?
Why was polio in officers ten times that of enlisted men?
Why were polio's disease patterns so different from other childhood infectious diseses?
Why did polio skyrocket in industrilized countries after WWII?
Why did polio epidemics occur in consecutive years rather than every few years as in the pre-war period?
Why did members of a household contract polio at the same time rather than one after each other?
The authors provide a viable explanation to these questions and points out it wasn't investigated because it meant the vaccine wasn't useful (perhaps even harmful). "The medical establishment has no interest whatsoever in reopening the closed file - or perhaps more aptly the Pandora's Box of Polio." (Page 495)
Other points/takes
· Not a single vaccine on the US CDG recommended childhood schedule has been tested against a true placebo.
· the use of this intentionally flawed trial methodology means that every vaccine on the schedule received FDA approval without a true measurement of its adverse events.
· Lack of scientific evidence makes it impossible to quantify the overall benefit (positive or negative) of the chlidhood vaccination program.
· The establishment refuses to conduct vaccinated vs unvaccinated studies, though these studies could pntentially reveal important clues regarding dramatic rise of chronic diesease in recent decades.
· Some of the vaccine combinations given routinely have never been tested for safety (for example 9 injections against 13 disease at 15 months).
· Nearly all the drop in infectious disease mortality in industrialized countries was recorded before the 1930s (before vaccines began to be used. The authors attribute this to better nutrition, sanitation and hygiene.
· Vaccines contributed only marginally to the drastic reduction in mortality. See graphs pages 275-283.
· At the same time that intimidating infectious diseases were gradually disappearing, chronic disease began to rise.
· Presently social costs for the "silent epidemic" of chronic disease far exceed those of infectious disease.
· Of the 14 vaccines on the CDC recommended childhood vaccine schedule only five clear the herd immunity bar. The remaining nine either are either unable to generate herd immunity or the protfotion is either partial or inconsequential.
· the assertation that vaccines' benefits outweigh their harms is not supported by solid scientific evidence.
· The scientific story that polio presents a samblance of worthy theory is full of holes, speculations, contradictions and mysteries.
When public debates gained traction "The entire vaccination construction was suddenly in serious jeopardy of being exposed as the giant fraud it is." (Page 512)
October 20, 2022
Arguably the best book on vaccine science ever written. It’s a must-read for every person with a body who cares about their health and the ability to make decisions about what goes into their body. If you had opinions on either side of the “I believe in science” debate, this is an important read because science is never settled.
October 23, 2022
Best book on vaccines
I have studied vaccines as "hobby" from the mid 1970's being a lay person whose education and professional work touched on related fields that helped me understand: anatomy, physiology, kinesiology, followed by data science. This book is by far the best clearly stated and referenced assessment of the vaccine industry. You can dive as deep as you want. This book should be mandatory reading for every public health bureaucrat, every medical doctor, every politician. Of course every parent, literally every person, should read and know this.
I have studied vaccines as "hobby" from the mid 1970's being a lay person whose education and professional work touched on related fields that helped me understand: anatomy, physiology, kinesiology, followed by data science. This book is by far the best clearly stated and referenced assessment of the vaccine industry. You can dive as deep as you want. This book should be mandatory reading for every public health bureaucrat, every medical doctor, every politician. Of course every parent, literally every person, should read and know this.
November 19, 2022
How naked is the vain Emperor of Vaccine Science? Turtles lays out the statistics and motivators behind a rather unclothed industry.
If you’ve received a lifetime of vaccines presented for your health promoted by an industry that depends on selling their vaccines over individual or aggregate health, you cannot read Turtles without becoming pissed.
What harm was done to us over decades in the name of “better health for all” while it was “wealth for a few” that comes out on top?
Hard spoiler - the book was written before our Covid Vaccine adventure ever started, so reader be prepared to learn how many of the common vaccines you were given and were pushed to give your children are far less tested, lack true safety studies, and have questionable to little benefit.
If you’ve received a lifetime of vaccines presented for your health promoted by an industry that depends on selling their vaccines over individual or aggregate health, you cannot read Turtles without becoming pissed.
What harm was done to us over decades in the name of “better health for all” while it was “wealth for a few” that comes out on top?
Hard spoiler - the book was written before our Covid Vaccine adventure ever started, so reader be prepared to learn how many of the common vaccines you were given and were pushed to give your children are far less tested, lack true safety studies, and have questionable to little benefit.
October 12, 2023
Vaccine science is by no means a done deal. In fact, what we are told is more of a fraud than you would think and this book provides unequivocal proof. If I could give this book 100 stars, I would. Does that mean vaccines don’t work or are not worthy? No, not at all. The science shows that some do and some don't. What this book proves is that safety studies have not been done, are actively being avoided, we are being lied to, manipulated and experimented on. It is important to read this book so that we all have informed consent and demand better. More on that below.
Everyone should read this book. Here are a few shocking takeaways :
Clinical trials are not done with true placebos. In fact, all of the vaccines on the CDC childhood vaccine schedule were trialed against a similar vaccine and not a saline or sugar solution. Why would they do that? So that they can give the placebo group an agent that they know will cause similar side effects and then report that the new vaccine showed “no increase risk” of side effects. (This is not true of the original Covid vaccines, which did appear to have true saline placebo groups. The Covid vaccine is not covered in this book.)
Infectious diseases declined by 90-95% in society before the advent of vaccines. Why? Mostly due to sanitation and nutrition in developed societies. Health experts know this and they know that vaccines can only account for about 5% reduction in infectious diseases and yet they push the “vaccines eradicated many diseases” line. The data since 1900 simply does not support that.
Not all vaccines cause herd immunity. In fact, they can’t. Some vaccines only neutralise a single person’s response to a virus and do not prevent carrying it. That means that the whole “vaccinate your kid to protect mine” line only holds true for some vaccines and not all so many vaccine mandates are unethical.
There have NOT been studies of the cumulative effect of the current vaccine schedule. And there won’t be any time soon unless we demand it. There is a reason that health authorities spend time and money studying “parental vaccine attitudes” and not actual cumulative vaccine safety. This means that they cannot help children who are harmed because they won’t study it. This also means that they will not consider a less aggressive schedule. This also means that the public does not have informed consent because we are told that all vaccines and the current vaccine schedule is safe even though it has never been studied.
Childhood infectious diseases are on the decline but childhood chronic diseases are on the rise.
Studies comparing vaccinated children’s overall health have not been done, even though they could be quite easily. There is a purposeful reason for this and health authorities regularly provide excuses not to.
The chapter on polio plays out like a mystery novel! It is Jaw. Dropping. Polio is the poster child for vaccine success but there are still a million holes in what we know about polio. In fact, polio has never been proven to be infectious at all! Researchers have never been able to prove this! A more plausible explanation is that it is a reaction to lead and arsenic-based pesticides. This explains why outbreaks occur in late summer in farming communities and in U.S. and U.K. soldiers who travel abroad and were heavily sprayed with pesticides, even though the soldiers never spread the outbreak to the local populations. It also explains why the polio virus does not appear in 20% of stool samples of people who had “polio” and why even in places that vaccine against polio, a mysterious paralysis condition is still on the rise! This chapter alone could have been a book by itself.
When my children were babies, I decided not to give them multiple vaccines in a single visit because I was concerned about the exposure to aluminum. Gosh am I glad that I did that! Vaccine groupings are simply not tested. If I had it to do over, I would still give them certain vaccines such as tetanus and diphtheria, but I would definitely not have given them Hepatitis B, polio or pneumococcal.
The Covid vaccine brought up so many questions about vaccines and this book, even though it does not address the Covid vaccine, addresses many of them just brilliantly. The science behind vaccines is a sham and we are unwitting lab rats.
But we can do something about this:
Demand the requirement for true placebo trials of all new phamaceuticals be codified into federal law.
Eliminate all emergency use authorisation of new pharmaceuticals.
Require mandatory adverse events reporting from vaccines from all medical parties, in the same way that infectious disease outbreaks are required to be reported.
Demand vaccinated versus unvaccinated studies.
Demand research of the current vaccine schedule.
Repeal vaccine requirements for non-herd immunity inducing vaccines.
It is worth noting that politicians have tried this with little success. Read this book and do your part to make your own demands about vaccine safety!
Everyone should read this book. Here are a few shocking takeaways :
Clinical trials are not done with true placebos. In fact, all of the vaccines on the CDC childhood vaccine schedule were trialed against a similar vaccine and not a saline or sugar solution. Why would they do that? So that they can give the placebo group an agent that they know will cause similar side effects and then report that the new vaccine showed “no increase risk” of side effects. (This is not true of the original Covid vaccines, which did appear to have true saline placebo groups. The Covid vaccine is not covered in this book.)
Infectious diseases declined by 90-95% in society before the advent of vaccines. Why? Mostly due to sanitation and nutrition in developed societies. Health experts know this and they know that vaccines can only account for about 5% reduction in infectious diseases and yet they push the “vaccines eradicated many diseases” line. The data since 1900 simply does not support that.
Not all vaccines cause herd immunity. In fact, they can’t. Some vaccines only neutralise a single person’s response to a virus and do not prevent carrying it. That means that the whole “vaccinate your kid to protect mine” line only holds true for some vaccines and not all so many vaccine mandates are unethical.
There have NOT been studies of the cumulative effect of the current vaccine schedule. And there won’t be any time soon unless we demand it. There is a reason that health authorities spend time and money studying “parental vaccine attitudes” and not actual cumulative vaccine safety. This means that they cannot help children who are harmed because they won’t study it. This also means that they will not consider a less aggressive schedule. This also means that the public does not have informed consent because we are told that all vaccines and the current vaccine schedule is safe even though it has never been studied.
Childhood infectious diseases are on the decline but childhood chronic diseases are on the rise.
Studies comparing vaccinated children’s overall health have not been done, even though they could be quite easily. There is a purposeful reason for this and health authorities regularly provide excuses not to.
The chapter on polio plays out like a mystery novel! It is Jaw. Dropping. Polio is the poster child for vaccine success but there are still a million holes in what we know about polio. In fact, polio has never been proven to be infectious at all! Researchers have never been able to prove this! A more plausible explanation is that it is a reaction to lead and arsenic-based pesticides. This explains why outbreaks occur in late summer in farming communities and in U.S. and U.K. soldiers who travel abroad and were heavily sprayed with pesticides, even though the soldiers never spread the outbreak to the local populations. It also explains why the polio virus does not appear in 20% of stool samples of people who had “polio” and why even in places that vaccine against polio, a mysterious paralysis condition is still on the rise! This chapter alone could have been a book by itself.
When my children were babies, I decided not to give them multiple vaccines in a single visit because I was concerned about the exposure to aluminum. Gosh am I glad that I did that! Vaccine groupings are simply not tested. If I had it to do over, I would still give them certain vaccines such as tetanus and diphtheria, but I would definitely not have given them Hepatitis B, polio or pneumococcal.
The Covid vaccine brought up so many questions about vaccines and this book, even though it does not address the Covid vaccine, addresses many of them just brilliantly. The science behind vaccines is a sham and we are unwitting lab rats.
But we can do something about this:
Demand the requirement for true placebo trials of all new phamaceuticals be codified into federal law.
Eliminate all emergency use authorisation of new pharmaceuticals.
Require mandatory adverse events reporting from vaccines from all medical parties, in the same way that infectious disease outbreaks are required to be reported.
Demand vaccinated versus unvaccinated studies.
Demand research of the current vaccine schedule.
Repeal vaccine requirements for non-herd immunity inducing vaccines.
It is worth noting that politicians have tried this with little success. Read this book and do your part to make your own demands about vaccine safety!
December 29, 2023
Useful. This book was recommended to me by my pediatrician, and satisfied my scientific side in the presentation of information. I would be totally happy to give the book to any medical professional and ask them to engage with the info — from a nurse to a Immunology PhD. (and I do know one of the latter). As a result of reading this I will never really be an “anti-vaxxer”, but neither will I do the CDC recommend standard schedule.
Useful. Read it.
Useful. Read it.
January 9, 2023
Fascinating book, with so much to get through, that it takes a lot of time to think about and digest the material. Should be read by everyone. Seems like every book I read now, government agencies cover up problems. Just to sum up some of the information from the summary:
- the impact of the vaccine program on children's health has never been examined. No studies have ever examined the ramification of the growing number of vaccines infants receive
- lack of scientific evidence makes it impossible to quantify the overall benefit of the childhood vaccination program. Sweeping institutional claims that vaccine program has a positive effect on the health of the vaccinated is scientifically unfounded. Unvaccinated children are far healthier than their fully vaccinated counterparts.
- misleading myth advanced that our health has never been better - ignores the huge increase in chronic illness in children in recent decades.
- the clinical trials are "cooked; health authorities sponsor biased epidemiological studies conducted by researchers with huge conflicts of interest; studies evaluating the true benefit of vaccinations are never done and neither are studies comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated populations; inconceivable chasm between institutional claims of safety and the reality of vaccine science; While establishment declares the safety of vaccines has been tested and proved excellent, its actions convey a deliberate intention to conceal the true magnitude and severity of their harm.
While they solemnly declare they are doing everything in their power to ensure the safety of vaccines, in practice they are doing anything but, and have deliberately refrained from doing precisely those studies that could clarify vaccines' association with rising rates of chronic illness.
The chapter on polio is captivating.
- the impact of the vaccine program on children's health has never been examined. No studies have ever examined the ramification of the growing number of vaccines infants receive
- lack of scientific evidence makes it impossible to quantify the overall benefit of the childhood vaccination program. Sweeping institutional claims that vaccine program has a positive effect on the health of the vaccinated is scientifically unfounded. Unvaccinated children are far healthier than their fully vaccinated counterparts.
- misleading myth advanced that our health has never been better - ignores the huge increase in chronic illness in children in recent decades.
- the clinical trials are "cooked; health authorities sponsor biased epidemiological studies conducted by researchers with huge conflicts of interest; studies evaluating the true benefit of vaccinations are never done and neither are studies comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated populations; inconceivable chasm between institutional claims of safety and the reality of vaccine science; While establishment declares the safety of vaccines has been tested and proved excellent, its actions convey a deliberate intention to conceal the true magnitude and severity of their harm.
While they solemnly declare they are doing everything in their power to ensure the safety of vaccines, in practice they are doing anything but, and have deliberately refrained from doing precisely those studies that could clarify vaccines' association with rising rates of chronic illness.
The chapter on polio is captivating.
January 8, 2023
So well written, clearly explained and backed up
This is a must read for any parent.
This is the first book that has helped me fully understand, from a scientific, well researched and backed up by evidence standpoint what really goes in with testing and releasing vaccines.
I have been on the fence with vaccines previously but unable to articulate why or find clear data that would help me get more comfortable with vaccination. This book has helped me understand properly the serious issues at the heart of vaccine testing and why vaccines are not safe the way the mainstream establishment say they are.
Cannot recommend this book enough.
This is a must read for any parent.
This is the first book that has helped me fully understand, from a scientific, well researched and backed up by evidence standpoint what really goes in with testing and releasing vaccines.
I have been on the fence with vaccines previously but unable to articulate why or find clear data that would help me get more comfortable with vaccination. This book has helped me understand properly the serious issues at the heart of vaccine testing and why vaccines are not safe the way the mainstream establishment say they are.
Cannot recommend this book enough.
March 26, 2023
Anonymous- the reason the author wants to go by Anonymous could be they don't want to be murdered by the cabal.
April 1, 2024
Look and see
This book is excellent. Chock full of important information and compelling arguments. Too bad it exists in an age where a refusal to look is commonplace, for one who does not look will never see. We've never been more studious and intentional in avoiding uncomfortable subjects. Don't be another "look the other wayer." We have more than enough of those.
This book is excellent. Chock full of important information and compelling arguments. Too bad it exists in an age where a refusal to look is commonplace, for one who does not look will never see. We've never been more studious and intentional in avoiding uncomfortable subjects. Don't be another "look the other wayer." We have more than enough of those.
July 4, 2023
I lost track of how many times I said aloud "Oh, my gosh!" and put my head on my forehead during the polio chapter. This is a must-read! It turns out the tricks they played with the covid shots were tricks they'd already perfected.
I thought modern vaccines were simply an inactivated virus that prevent you from contracting, and then also transmitting, the virus. Turns out I was VERY WRONG!
I thought modern vaccines were simply an inactivated virus that prevent you from contracting, and then also transmitting, the virus. Turns out I was VERY WRONG!
October 12, 2023
Was recommended to read this by a pediatrician. Definitely a must read for anyone questioning safety and efficacy of the V schedule.
July 22, 2023
Fascinating. Very well written, even if you’re not science minded. Really makes you question everything we’ve always been told.
March 19, 2024
As a healthcare provider, this book is great. Well cited. It's scientific and not conjecture. This will change you mind out the modern medical bureaucracy
June 14, 2023
This book opened my mind to the truth that there is no need for vaccines. Excellent work.
May 9, 2024
Yet another antivax book, this one enthusiastically promoted by longtime antivaccine campaigner Mary Holland who wrote the preface. The book was written in 2019 but has been re-released in hopes of weaponizing distrust of Covid-19 vaccines to weaken support for childhood vaccination in general.
Written by "Anonymous" (now there's a trustworthy source), this book dives into typical antivax conspiracy-mongering by claiming that vaccine clinical studies are "rigged", in part because they supposedly don't include randomized blinded trials.
Anonymous failed to note that there have been many such trials (you can find them by searching the free scientific literature database at PubMed). So why misinform readers about this?
Antivaxers like "Anonymous" have trouble explaining why the incidence of so many infectious diseases plummeted after introduction of corresponding vaccines, so they make up outrageous nonsense. Example: the book tries to get us to believe that polio is caused by pesticides. Yet it should be obvious that while pesticide use has continued and increased in the U.S. and around the world, polio cases have declined dramatically in concert with vaccination campaigns.
There's plenty more straight out of the antivaccine playbook - bogus VAERS claims, the "10,000 vaccines" canard, etc. etc., which have been repeatedly endlessly online and in similar books that have sunk into deserved obscurity.
Weakening childhood vaccination means exposing kids to more outbreaks of serious and potentially deadly diseases, like measles and polio (currently posing increasing risks due to declining vaccination rates).
Anonymous should come out of the woodwork to explain why he/she thinks this is a good idea.
Science-Based Medicine has begun a series examining claims made in "Turtles All The Way Down". It makes worthwhile reading.
"This first chapter tried to explain how vaccine clinical trials are “turtles all the way down” – a phrase meaning based on a very shaky foundation. But the authors did an incredibly poor job of making their case, from not even being able to follow their own rules, to creating clearly impossible demands, to forgetting the rules of even very simple fact checking, to at times making interpretations that are entirely contrary to acceptable scientific practices."
sciencebasedmedicine dot org/part-1-10-the-grand-debunk-of-the-antivaxxer-book-turtles-all-the-way-down/
*The title of this book suggests yet another example of projection by antivaxers. They've pulled their heads into their shells, refusing to acknowledge the vast body of evidence validating the safety and efficacy of vaccines.
Written by "Anonymous" (now there's a trustworthy source), this book dives into typical antivax conspiracy-mongering by claiming that vaccine clinical studies are "rigged", in part because they supposedly don't include randomized blinded trials.
Anonymous failed to note that there have been many such trials (you can find them by searching the free scientific literature database at PubMed). So why misinform readers about this?
Antivaxers like "Anonymous" have trouble explaining why the incidence of so many infectious diseases plummeted after introduction of corresponding vaccines, so they make up outrageous nonsense. Example: the book tries to get us to believe that polio is caused by pesticides. Yet it should be obvious that while pesticide use has continued and increased in the U.S. and around the world, polio cases have declined dramatically in concert with vaccination campaigns.
There's plenty more straight out of the antivaccine playbook - bogus VAERS claims, the "10,000 vaccines" canard, etc. etc., which have been repeatedly endlessly online and in similar books that have sunk into deserved obscurity.
Weakening childhood vaccination means exposing kids to more outbreaks of serious and potentially deadly diseases, like measles and polio (currently posing increasing risks due to declining vaccination rates).
Anonymous should come out of the woodwork to explain why he/she thinks this is a good idea.
Science-Based Medicine has begun a series examining claims made in "Turtles All The Way Down". It makes worthwhile reading.
"This first chapter tried to explain how vaccine clinical trials are “turtles all the way down” – a phrase meaning based on a very shaky foundation. But the authors did an incredibly poor job of making their case, from not even being able to follow their own rules, to creating clearly impossible demands, to forgetting the rules of even very simple fact checking, to at times making interpretations that are entirely contrary to acceptable scientific practices."
sciencebasedmedicine dot org/part-1-10-the-grand-debunk-of-the-antivaxxer-book-turtles-all-the-way-down/
*The title of this book suggests yet another example of projection by antivaxers. They've pulled their heads into their shells, refusing to acknowledge the vast body of evidence validating the safety and efficacy of vaccines.
April 2, 2023
Before reading this book, I was undecided whether vaccines in general (not just the COVID vaccines) were to blame for serious side effects and whether at least some of them were worth getting.
I was stunned by the case laid out in this well-written book loaded with citations. Turtles turned every understanding I'd had about vaccines on its head.
Turtles All the Way Down is vital reading for everyone considering getting a vaccine for themselves, or especially, for their children.
It is essential reading for every doctor, every medical student, and every pre-med student. I would not consider any medical professional to be knowledgable of vaccine safety and effectiveness without doing so.
It begs the questions:
- Where's the debate on these life-changing issues?
- Where's the reasoned refutation of the many allegations made in this book?
I hear only...silence.
Let's change that. Demand answers - or no more vaccines.
I was stunned by the case laid out in this well-written book loaded with citations. Turtles turned every understanding I'd had about vaccines on its head.
Turtles All the Way Down is vital reading for everyone considering getting a vaccine for themselves, or especially, for their children.
It is essential reading for every doctor, every medical student, and every pre-med student. I would not consider any medical professional to be knowledgable of vaccine safety and effectiveness without doing so.
It begs the questions:
- Where's the debate on these life-changing issues?
- Where's the reasoned refutation of the many allegations made in this book?
I hear only...silence.
Let's change that. Demand answers - or no more vaccines.
November 29, 2022
This title made no sense to me until shortly after starting the book. Throughout the book, the wise and judicious authors removed one turtle, then another. When finishing the book one has as many questions as answers, yet a much more straightforward direction in which to pursue truth.
Why did the authors start with a warning?
Why are the authors anonymous? A rather telling fact that questioning the "turtles" is career ending and quality of life disrupting.
Why revisit polio? For so much of the book! Just as 'Tobacco Science' purposefully asked misleading questions, so has the history of polio. The polio epidemic peeked the year I was born. I grew up hearing my Dad sing the praises of Jonas Salk. He was SO GRATEFUL they had found a cure, a preventative measure, for such a devastating disease. Or did we?
Quickly:
What are placeboes? (If you answered a benign or saline or another inert substance, nope.)
What happens to the long term statistics when the control group receives the independent variable after a few weeks?
Is 'Herd Immunity' a real thing? Do healthy people make us sick?
The book is definitely a worthwhile read. Or skim, if the circular logic of vaccine science makes you nauseous. My hat is off to the authors, whoever they may be.
Why did the authors start with a warning?
Why are the authors anonymous? A rather telling fact that questioning the "turtles" is career ending and quality of life disrupting.
Why revisit polio? For so much of the book! Just as 'Tobacco Science' purposefully asked misleading questions, so has the history of polio. The polio epidemic peeked the year I was born. I grew up hearing my Dad sing the praises of Jonas Salk. He was SO GRATEFUL they had found a cure, a preventative measure, for such a devastating disease. Or did we?
Quickly:
What are placeboes? (If you answered a benign or saline or another inert substance, nope.)
What happens to the long term statistics when the control group receives the independent variable after a few weeks?
Is 'Herd Immunity' a real thing? Do healthy people make us sick?
The book is definitely a worthwhile read. Or skim, if the circular logic of vaccine science makes you nauseous. My hat is off to the authors, whoever they may be.
December 31, 2023
An excellent book which examines the issues of vaccine safety in detail. The discussion on herd immunity is especially enlightening. The
book summary in chapter 11 is almost worth reading first, before drilling down to the detail in each chapter.
All of the vaccines on the US CDC-recommended childhood schedule have been tested in clinical trials against another vaccine rather than a true placebo, resulting in the true number of adverse events being unknown. The books title - "Turtles All the Way Down" - comes from the fact that every new childhood vaccine is tested for safety against another vaccine, which was itself tested against yet another vaccine, which was tested against another vaccine, etc. All such testing is fully approved by the regulating health agencies in the US and Europe. Surprisingly, there are groups that avoid vaccination for lifestyle and religious reasons, who would be suitable for inclusion in such studies.
In the trials of the rotavirus vaccines - RotaTeq and Rotarix - the control group received the vaccine without the antigen rather than a placebo. The trial included 63,000 infants and resulted in 1 in 30-40 suffering adverse events and 63 dying in the control groups.
Even after more than sixty years of modern medical research, medical science has yet to lay a methodological foundation for vaccine safety science. Doctors do not have any diagnostic tools at their disposal that allow them to reliably associate a particular medical condition to the vaccine or vaccines that preceded it.
While many Western countries including the US have effective infectious disease reporting systems, the current vaccine adverse event reporting system (VAERS) neither solicits case reports nor mandates reporting. The deficiencies of the system are shown in the attempted evaluation of adverse effects of Merck’s human papillomavirus vaccine, Gardasil. Ross Lazarus was awarded a grant to improve the adverse event reporting, but the CDC blocked repeated attempts to proceed with testing and the improvements were never implemented.
Epidemiology is a branch of medical science that studies disease at the population level rather than the individual level. Epidemiological research cannot prove, or disprove, a causal link between two events. At most, it can confirm or refute the existence of a statistical correlation between them. In order to prove a causal link, a physiological mechanism must be demonstrated experimentally.
Epidemiological studies are the primary tool health authorities and drug companies use to maintain the illusion of vaccine safety. Bias in the field of vaccination safety is the inevitable result of the way medical science is funded. Although these studies often exhibit glaring biases and conflicts of interest, the medical journals’ peer-review process doesn’t (or won’t) expose them. Science is still regarded by many as trustworthy and objective, largely free of the internal politics, power struggles, vested interests, fraud, and corruption that plague other arenas. The authors term this the Pure Science Myth.
The vaccine program as a whole has never been tested for efficacy or safety. This was unequivocally confirmed by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) in a 2013 special report. They were requested to investigate the current science on the safety of the vaccine schedule and the concerns raised by parents, and to provide an official and persuasive institutional response to the complaints about the absence of vaccinated-unvaccinated studies. While basically reiterating that the vaccine schedule is safe, it notes that "... key elements of the entire schedule – the number, frequency, timing, order, and age at administration of vaccines – have not been systematically examined in research studies.” In essence, the IOM 2013 report officially confirms the claim made by many parents that the safety of the vaccination program as a whole has never been tested. Some of the vaccine combinations given routinely in the US (for example, 9 injections against 13 diseases at 15 months) have never been tested for safety.
Improvements in living standards (including better nutrition, sanitation, and hygiene) have led to a dramatic reduction in mortality from infectious diseases from the mid-19th to the mid-20th century. In addition many of these diseases saw a sharp decline in morbidity, and some were all but eliminated. Nearly all the drop in infectious disease mortality in industrialized countries was recorded before the 1930s, when effective medications, and later vaccines, began to be widely used. Vaccines contributed only marginally to the drastic reduction in mortality (by reducing deaths from a small number of diseases) and had a more significant, though not major, role in reducing overall morbidity of infectious disease.
In the 20th century, at the same time that the intimidating infectious diseases of the past were gradually disappearing from industrialized nations, chronic disease began to rise steadily. Today, one in twelve American children is disabled due to a chronic illness and one in four takes routine medication for a chronic condition. A similar situation prevails in other industrialized countries. Although they are well aware that the bulk of the reduction in infectious-disease burden cannot be attributed to vaccines, health agencies in the US and worldwide continue to publicly promote the myth that “vaccines saved humanity from the horrible diseases of the past.”
The social benefit attributed to vaccines is largely based on the concept of herd immunity, that is, the assumption that vaccinated people, in addition to protecting themselves, also protect the unvaccinated. Vaccines may provide herd protection, but to do so they must prevent not only the illness itself, but also infection with the disease pathogen and transmission to another person. Of the fourteen vaccines on the CDC-recommended childhood vaccine schedule, only five clear the herd immunity bar by targeting diseases for which herd immunity is relevant for children and being capable ofactually delivering it.
Substantial question marks remain regarding the contribution of polio vaccines to the disappearance of the disease from the Western world. While the World Health Organization’s intensive vaccination campaigns in the Third World have supposedly eliminated polio morbidity, the rate of polio-like paralysis has soared to more than three times the paralysis rate reported at the start of the campaign.
Apart from a tiny minority, doctors are completely unaware of the vaccine fraud. Most of them have no clue how vaccines are tested in their pre-licensure clinical trials. The vast majority would probably be surprised to hear that the vaccine program they believe to be immaculate has never been tested for safety, or that studies comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated subpopulations have never been done. Doctors do not study vaccines in medical school much beyond memorizing the current schedule
In 1976, the CBS network’s famed 60 Minutes show aired its prime-time investigation on the fabricated “swine flu” epidemic. Only one person died of the flu, while millions received a rushed vaccine, which was later withdrawn. More than 450 vaccinated people developed the paralyzing Guillain-Barré syndrome, and at least 25 died.
The book highlights that the establishment view is uniform and intolerant of criticism, with the proponents being unwilling to engage in debate.
book summary in chapter 11 is almost worth reading first, before drilling down to the detail in each chapter.
All of the vaccines on the US CDC-recommended childhood schedule have been tested in clinical trials against another vaccine rather than a true placebo, resulting in the true number of adverse events being unknown. The books title - "Turtles All the Way Down" - comes from the fact that every new childhood vaccine is tested for safety against another vaccine, which was itself tested against yet another vaccine, which was tested against another vaccine, etc. All such testing is fully approved by the regulating health agencies in the US and Europe. Surprisingly, there are groups that avoid vaccination for lifestyle and religious reasons, who would be suitable for inclusion in such studies.
In the trials of the rotavirus vaccines - RotaTeq and Rotarix - the control group received the vaccine without the antigen rather than a placebo. The trial included 63,000 infants and resulted in 1 in 30-40 suffering adverse events and 63 dying in the control groups.
Even after more than sixty years of modern medical research, medical science has yet to lay a methodological foundation for vaccine safety science. Doctors do not have any diagnostic tools at their disposal that allow them to reliably associate a particular medical condition to the vaccine or vaccines that preceded it.
While many Western countries including the US have effective infectious disease reporting systems, the current vaccine adverse event reporting system (VAERS) neither solicits case reports nor mandates reporting. The deficiencies of the system are shown in the attempted evaluation of adverse effects of Merck’s human papillomavirus vaccine, Gardasil. Ross Lazarus was awarded a grant to improve the adverse event reporting, but the CDC blocked repeated attempts to proceed with testing and the improvements were never implemented.
Epidemiology is a branch of medical science that studies disease at the population level rather than the individual level. Epidemiological research cannot prove, or disprove, a causal link between two events. At most, it can confirm or refute the existence of a statistical correlation between them. In order to prove a causal link, a physiological mechanism must be demonstrated experimentally.
Epidemiological studies are the primary tool health authorities and drug companies use to maintain the illusion of vaccine safety. Bias in the field of vaccination safety is the inevitable result of the way medical science is funded. Although these studies often exhibit glaring biases and conflicts of interest, the medical journals’ peer-review process doesn’t (or won’t) expose them. Science is still regarded by many as trustworthy and objective, largely free of the internal politics, power struggles, vested interests, fraud, and corruption that plague other arenas. The authors term this the Pure Science Myth.
The vaccine program as a whole has never been tested for efficacy or safety. This was unequivocally confirmed by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) in a 2013 special report. They were requested to investigate the current science on the safety of the vaccine schedule and the concerns raised by parents, and to provide an official and persuasive institutional response to the complaints about the absence of vaccinated-unvaccinated studies. While basically reiterating that the vaccine schedule is safe, it notes that "... key elements of the entire schedule – the number, frequency, timing, order, and age at administration of vaccines – have not been systematically examined in research studies.” In essence, the IOM 2013 report officially confirms the claim made by many parents that the safety of the vaccination program as a whole has never been tested. Some of the vaccine combinations given routinely in the US (for example, 9 injections against 13 diseases at 15 months) have never been tested for safety.
Improvements in living standards (including better nutrition, sanitation, and hygiene) have led to a dramatic reduction in mortality from infectious diseases from the mid-19th to the mid-20th century. In addition many of these diseases saw a sharp decline in morbidity, and some were all but eliminated. Nearly all the drop in infectious disease mortality in industrialized countries was recorded before the 1930s, when effective medications, and later vaccines, began to be widely used. Vaccines contributed only marginally to the drastic reduction in mortality (by reducing deaths from a small number of diseases) and had a more significant, though not major, role in reducing overall morbidity of infectious disease.
In the 20th century, at the same time that the intimidating infectious diseases of the past were gradually disappearing from industrialized nations, chronic disease began to rise steadily. Today, one in twelve American children is disabled due to a chronic illness and one in four takes routine medication for a chronic condition. A similar situation prevails in other industrialized countries. Although they are well aware that the bulk of the reduction in infectious-disease burden cannot be attributed to vaccines, health agencies in the US and worldwide continue to publicly promote the myth that “vaccines saved humanity from the horrible diseases of the past.”
The social benefit attributed to vaccines is largely based on the concept of herd immunity, that is, the assumption that vaccinated people, in addition to protecting themselves, also protect the unvaccinated. Vaccines may provide herd protection, but to do so they must prevent not only the illness itself, but also infection with the disease pathogen and transmission to another person. Of the fourteen vaccines on the CDC-recommended childhood vaccine schedule, only five clear the herd immunity bar by targeting diseases for which herd immunity is relevant for children and being capable ofactually delivering it.
Substantial question marks remain regarding the contribution of polio vaccines to the disappearance of the disease from the Western world. While the World Health Organization’s intensive vaccination campaigns in the Third World have supposedly eliminated polio morbidity, the rate of polio-like paralysis has soared to more than three times the paralysis rate reported at the start of the campaign.
Apart from a tiny minority, doctors are completely unaware of the vaccine fraud. Most of them have no clue how vaccines are tested in their pre-licensure clinical trials. The vast majority would probably be surprised to hear that the vaccine program they believe to be immaculate has never been tested for safety, or that studies comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated subpopulations have never been done. Doctors do not study vaccines in medical school much beyond memorizing the current schedule
In 1976, the CBS network’s famed 60 Minutes show aired its prime-time investigation on the fabricated “swine flu” epidemic. Only one person died of the flu, while millions received a rushed vaccine, which was later withdrawn. More than 450 vaccinated people developed the paralyzing Guillain-Barré syndrome, and at least 25 died.
The book highlights that the establishment view is uniform and intolerant of criticism, with the proponents being unwilling to engage in debate.
November 12, 2023
The book's title suggests vaccine studies are built on hot air.
Studies behind vaccines are not all they seem.
A true study for a new vaccine should always be double blind with one group receiving a vaccine and another receiving a placebo with no known reactions like saline for example.
What actually happens is a similar substances to the vaccine is injected into the placebo group which will have adverse reactions and that is used to compare to the potential vaccine injected in the other group , so of course there will be a smaller difference from one group to the other than if there was a true placebo to compare it with.
Subsequent future generation vaccines continue to build on this fallacy by using the flawed initial test as a comparison and using the first generation test as a placebo instead of adding a 3rd group with a true placebo so as the book's title says with the brilliant metaphor , it's turtles all the way down standing on thin air.
The big money science defends this fallacy as it makes billions and these days avoid debate with anyone in the mainsream media so as not to be exposed saying the science is settled and should be unchallenged labelling challengers anti vaxxers or crazy.
The book provides examples throughout history of questionable tests and results for many of the common diseases tests were made for such as polio and why these vaccines have dubious value and explains why better hygiene and sanitation are a bigger contributor to lower rates of disease in adults as the 20th century progressed.
The book also looks at the huge increase in child vaccination to over 70 different vaccines which are promoted by the government and the lack of testing of its impact on an immature body and hypothesises how this may have led to a rise in many chronic diseases amongst children .
Overall this is a book that uses facts to show that we are today over vaccinating without knowing the true long term effects with a mega pharmaceutical industry strongly supporting it's continuation and expansion with the help of the WHO and the CDC.
Studies behind vaccines are not all they seem.
A true study for a new vaccine should always be double blind with one group receiving a vaccine and another receiving a placebo with no known reactions like saline for example.
What actually happens is a similar substances to the vaccine is injected into the placebo group which will have adverse reactions and that is used to compare to the potential vaccine injected in the other group , so of course there will be a smaller difference from one group to the other than if there was a true placebo to compare it with.
Subsequent future generation vaccines continue to build on this fallacy by using the flawed initial test as a comparison and using the first generation test as a placebo instead of adding a 3rd group with a true placebo so as the book's title says with the brilliant metaphor , it's turtles all the way down standing on thin air.
The big money science defends this fallacy as it makes billions and these days avoid debate with anyone in the mainsream media so as not to be exposed saying the science is settled and should be unchallenged labelling challengers anti vaxxers or crazy.
The book provides examples throughout history of questionable tests and results for many of the common diseases tests were made for such as polio and why these vaccines have dubious value and explains why better hygiene and sanitation are a bigger contributor to lower rates of disease in adults as the 20th century progressed.
The book also looks at the huge increase in child vaccination to over 70 different vaccines which are promoted by the government and the lack of testing of its impact on an immature body and hypothesises how this may have led to a rise in many chronic diseases amongst children .
Overall this is a book that uses facts to show that we are today over vaccinating without knowing the true long term effects with a mega pharmaceutical industry strongly supporting it's continuation and expansion with the help of the WHO and the CDC.
March 3, 2024
I have heard a few of the topics in this book discussed broadly in different podcasts and videos. Hence my initial interest in reading it. What's great about this book is that now I feel like I, myself, can talk about it too and really understand it. More so, even, than some of my friends who initially introduced me to this subject. The writing is perfect. The information provided is highly detailed, but conveyed in such a way that makes it easy to understand. I would suggest this book to anyone looking to gain a basic, yet detailed understanding of the topic and to those looking to understand how corruption in the pharmaceutical industry works.
Turtles All the Way Down, honestly, astounded me. I am one of those naïve people who believed that, though scientists have conflicts of interest and are funded by corrupt industries, they are still scientists. The scientists themselves wouldn't manipulate findings to the point where they might as well be lying. Or not perform studies using basic scientific principles. I was truly disgusted by what I learned, but better for having learned it.
I also especially enjoyed when the author presented counter arguments at the end of the chapters. I am someone who likes to debate others. However when someone throws a counterargument at me that I haven't heard before, often times I stumble in the attempt to defend the my views. The more prepared I am, the better.
All in all, great book. Informative, enlightening and absolutely worth your time.
Turtles All the Way Down, honestly, astounded me. I am one of those naïve people who believed that, though scientists have conflicts of interest and are funded by corrupt industries, they are still scientists. The scientists themselves wouldn't manipulate findings to the point where they might as well be lying. Or not perform studies using basic scientific principles. I was truly disgusted by what I learned, but better for having learned it.
I also especially enjoyed when the author presented counter arguments at the end of the chapters. I am someone who likes to debate others. However when someone throws a counterargument at me that I haven't heard before, often times I stumble in the attempt to defend the my views. The more prepared I am, the better.
All in all, great book. Informative, enlightening and absolutely worth your time.
March 24, 2023
Fantastic book to hear both sides of the vaccine science. Incredibly eye opening, well researched and footnoted. Goes through the clinical studies of all the childhood vaccines. Did you know there’s not a single one that went through a randomized control trial with an inert placebo group? In other words they never compared adverse events of a new vaccine against an inert placebo (like saline solution) with no adverse events. They were always comparing against another vaccine or compound. That means if you had 30 events in the test group and 30 in the control group they would conclude that the new vaccine is safe even if a true inert placebo group might result in say 5 events. They are never comparing the safety against the unvaccinated background rate. Insane.
Also goes through the untaught history of the polio vaccine. Fascinating story with many unanswered questions. The book is clear which vaccines have truly made a difference and is not an antivax book. However it does clearly expose the establishment which seeks to shut down debate about an industry built on fraud and deception.
It’s a book for parents trying to decide what to do. Great resource and a must read if you have any curious it’s about this topic, no matter which side of the debate you come from. Read it. 5-star!!!!!
Also goes through the untaught history of the polio vaccine. Fascinating story with many unanswered questions. The book is clear which vaccines have truly made a difference and is not an antivax book. However it does clearly expose the establishment which seeks to shut down debate about an industry built on fraud and deception.
It’s a book for parents trying to decide what to do. Great resource and a must read if you have any curious it’s about this topic, no matter which side of the debate you come from. Read it. 5-star!!!!!
June 29, 2023
Skepticism is good, and this book provides as well-written and thorough account as any I've seen. But the downsides of these infectious diseases are very real. It may be true that for some people the cure is worse than the disease, but I fear too many of this book's readers are closet nihilists who are beyond persuasion.
That said, who can deny that routine mandatory vaccination has gotten carried away, in a vicious cycle where nobody is allowed to argue against even some of the blatantly obvious redundant ones (e.g. tetanus is not spread through human contact, so whose business is it besides my own of whether I get vaccinated? Hepatitis B is an irrelevant risk to the 99% of infants who don't live in needle-using or sexually-transmitting families, etc.). The side effects, while probably very low for the vast majority of us, are not zero and are understudied.
I hope this book is read by a gazillion people, enough that it attracts the attention of serious vaccine proponents who can write a good faith response to questions it raises. I'm one of the persuadables who truly wants to believe this book is factually wrong. If you're a epidemiologist who can counter the arguments, I'll listen.
That said, who can deny that routine mandatory vaccination has gotten carried away, in a vicious cycle where nobody is allowed to argue against even some of the blatantly obvious redundant ones (e.g. tetanus is not spread through human contact, so whose business is it besides my own of whether I get vaccinated? Hepatitis B is an irrelevant risk to the 99% of infants who don't live in needle-using or sexually-transmitting families, etc.). The side effects, while probably very low for the vast majority of us, are not zero and are understudied.
I hope this book is read by a gazillion people, enough that it attracts the attention of serious vaccine proponents who can write a good faith response to questions it raises. I'm one of the persuadables who truly wants to believe this book is factually wrong. If you're a epidemiologist who can counter the arguments, I'll listen.
November 25, 2022
I completely loved the last chapter. This was the plain-speaking, bottom line facts that everyone needs to defend themselves against pro-vaccine trolls. In some parts, I think the author tried too hard to be even-handed and fair. I am specifically referring to the section about herd immunity, and also to the section on polio. Herd immunity is a myth within the vaccinated as many 100% vaccinated groups still come down with the disease they are vaccinated against. The only true immunity is produced naturally. Why didn't they talk about this instead of defending the concept? It also seems obvious to me that polio was and is pesticide poisoning. I don't know why it was regurgitated and rechewed for so long in this book. There are too many authors that avoid being labeled anti-vax at all costs. The thing is, the more you know the more incredibly you see this issue in black and white. The risks far outweigh the "benefits." Our bodies were never meant to be injected. Vaccines don't work and they have long-term negative consequences, including death. I am so glad the authors remain anonymous, as they would for sure be dragged through the mud for this book. Their citations and research are meticulous so undoubtably they would be subject to character assassination. If you read one book on vaccination this should be it.
October 16, 2023
Absolutely worth a read. The book is written by multiple, anonymous authors, but the language is accessible and easy to understand. The last chapter about polio is the longest and most detailed. Clearly explains the problems with ALL vaccines and how they can't be trusted to be absolutely safe. A couple of vaccines may help reduce overall infection rates, but they still have potential long term consequences. If you have questions, this is a good one to start with.
Because of the length of the book, the authors did not include the references. Instead the references are available for download. I think this was a mistake. The references should have been included either with the book or as a second volume. There were a few times I wanted to check the reference but didn't because of the extra steps to look for it. However, the book rings with accuracy and truth, though you will have to judge for yourself.
Because of the length of the book, the authors did not include the references. Instead the references are available for download. I think this was a mistake. The references should have been included either with the book or as a second volume. There were a few times I wanted to check the reference but didn't because of the extra steps to look for it. However, the book rings with accuracy and truth, though you will have to judge for yourself.
May 10, 2024
This is serious topic and the authors rose to the challenge. We should all be outraged at the myths and outright lies propagated by the medical-pharmacological industrial complex. I had no idea that vaccines have never been tested in double blind experiments, that there have been no safety studies done on the current childhood immunization schedule, and that only a few of the vaccines on the childhood immunization schedule confer beneficial herd immunity. With the rise in autoimmune and other chronic diseases in children, we need to take a hard look at how we immunize children and whether we should be immunizing them at all. If I could go back in time, I would seriously consider not immunizing my children.
It's about power and money. The last thing they care about is you and your child's health. When Bill Gates walks around saying we're going to control the world population through vaccines, it's past time to be skeptical and cautious.
It's about power and money. The last thing they care about is you and your child's health. When Bill Gates walks around saying we're going to control the world population through vaccines, it's past time to be skeptical and cautious.
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July 11, 2023
This is an extremely important book for anyone who has or is planning to have children. I had a handful of childhood vaccines, my children had twenty-something vaccines in the late 1990s. And what is shocking is that today, a newborn faces over 70 on the childhood vaccination schedule. To not question this stunning increase in injections is crazy. This book discusses the various vaccines, their histories, the clinical trials, etc. And for those who think it is "anti-vax," it is not. If a vaccine has been properly studied and is proven to be safe and also effective, this book lets you know. It is heavily researched and, quite frankly, shocking. It is about time, especially after our experience with COVID and with the COVID vaccine that we question what most of us assumed, without any investigation let alone thought, to be true. I cannot recommend it enough.
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