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Whose Justice? Which Rationality?
Whose Justice? Which Rationality? , the sequel to After Virtue , is a persuasive argument of there not being rationality that is not the rationality of some tradition. MacIntyre examines the problems presented by the existence of rival traditions of inquiry in the cases of four major Aristotle, Augustine, Aquinas, and Hume.
422 pages, Paperback
First published January 1, 1988
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Alasdair MacIntyre
104 books437 followersAlasdair Chalmers MacIntyre is a leading philosopher primarily known for his contribution to moral and political philosophy but known also for his work in history of philosophy and theology. He is the O'Brien Senior Research Professor of Philosophy at the University of Notre Dame.
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July 29, 2016
MacIntyre's After Virtue is one of my favorite books of all time, so I was excited to begin this book which is a follow-up to that one. It is a follow-up, but I found it much tougher to get through. After Virtue was a book that any person interested in philosophy and ethics, whether a pastor or just a person who reads that type of book for fun, could work through and appreciate. I found this book more difficult because of the subject matter. Here MacIntyre takes us on a history of ethics, ultimately laying out four philosophical traditions: Aristotle, Aquinas, Hume and modern liberalism. I just wasn't super interested in the details of things like ancient Greek philosophy leading up to Aristotle. So if the history of philosophy is your thing, then this book is for you.
For me, the best chapters were when MacIntyre got to modern liberalism and began discussing the challenges of different philosophical traditions interacting. The problem, which is a large point in After Virtue, is that each tradition speaks its own language and defines itself on its own terms and thus appears rational on the inside. But there is no common ground to speak between traditions, which is why people seem to talk past each other. Further, since the modern liberal mindset appears to us the default, our culture sees the other traditions as irrational or old fashioned. Once we realize modern liberalism is a tradition among others, the problem shifts. Now those other traditions are not just outmoded systems, but powerful stories alongside what actually is another tradition rather than the default, "just way things are".
Overall, I'd say read After Virtue first and if you're interested in the subject, tackle this one too.
For me, the best chapters were when MacIntyre got to modern liberalism and began discussing the challenges of different philosophical traditions interacting. The problem, which is a large point in After Virtue, is that each tradition speaks its own language and defines itself on its own terms and thus appears rational on the inside. But there is no common ground to speak between traditions, which is why people seem to talk past each other. Further, since the modern liberal mindset appears to us the default, our culture sees the other traditions as irrational or old fashioned. Once we realize modern liberalism is a tradition among others, the problem shifts. Now those other traditions are not just outmoded systems, but powerful stories alongside what actually is another tradition rather than the default, "just way things are".
Overall, I'd say read After Virtue first and if you're interested in the subject, tackle this one too.
October 2, 2016
A very hard text, compared to his other works, but also that much more refined and focused. It gives an account of traditions of thought, their development, context, teaching as to describe their concepts of justice and rationality. The traditions discussed are platonic-aristotelian-augustinian-thomist which MacIntyre himself represents, Scottish calvinist-augustinians, humean and finally liberal tradition.
The dialectic, which takes around 70% of the whole book, leads to certain interesting and hard to dispute conclusions, that rationality and justice, as far as human perception of them goes, are not two concepts, but a myriad which depends on the tradition it a part of. So justice will for the aristotelian be when something is done with virtue with the final teleological goal in view, which of course will be denied by the liberal, for whom there is no such thing as a one good, outside giving freedom to everyone to achieve his own freedom (as put by both Hayek and MacIntyre).
Overall this may as well be the most captivating book on philosophy I've ever read, to the point where I talked about him for 20 minutes to my date. Highly recommended for everyone who has an interest in the essential text of critique of modernity.
The dialectic, which takes around 70% of the whole book, leads to certain interesting and hard to dispute conclusions, that rationality and justice, as far as human perception of them goes, are not two concepts, but a myriad which depends on the tradition it a part of. So justice will for the aristotelian be when something is done with virtue with the final teleological goal in view, which of course will be denied by the liberal, for whom there is no such thing as a one good, outside giving freedom to everyone to achieve his own freedom (as put by both Hayek and MacIntyre).
Overall this may as well be the most captivating book on philosophy I've ever read, to the point where I talked about him for 20 minutes to my date. Highly recommended for everyone who has an interest in the essential text of critique of modernity.
July 30, 2019
9.9/10
Further review forthcoming.
Further review forthcoming.
March 14, 2019
Macintyre continues the amazing intellectual work he began in After Virtue by examining four paradigms of practical reasoning, their history, and most importantly, their incompatibility. Macintyre looks at the Homeric and Aristotelian tradition; the Biblical and Thomist; Hume’s theory of passion; and the modern privileging of individual market choice. He observes that each views the individual who is wanting to make a moral decision in a different social capacity that determines how they will make that moral choice. The Aristotelian considers the individual qua a voting (i.e. male landowning) citizen in a specific polis; that is, moral theory does not consider women, slaves, or persons outside the city. The Thomist tradition of course considers the individual in light of God’s commandments; now moral responsibility is extended equally to every person on Earth under one moral law. Hume, who argued that only passions ruled moral decisions and the only goal of moral decision was to protect the satisfying of those passions without bloodshed, considers the individual qua noble landowning citizen. As Macintyre observes, this means that what was formerly considered the vice of greed (pleonexia) has now been transformed into a capitalist virtue. And this individualist capitalism led to modernity, in which each individual makes a choice qua individual, and passions no longer need to be regarded but are a de facto right of the individual in the marketplace.
Macintyre’s depth of reading (particularly in obscure texts that support his argument) is staggering and his writing clear and occasionally humorous. I was most struck by his observation that extending the moral law in the Thomist tradition protects the poor and oppressed in a way that neither Aristotle nor Hume support – Aquinas says that if you have to steal bread to feed your family, that is moral! Likewise, Macintyre does a provocative job of illustrating how Hume’s theory of passions (with which I have been mostly sympathetic) is based on the notion that the best people are rich, classy, landowning Englishmen (Hume explicitly rejected his Scottish heritage because it wasn’t classy enough). Poor people have nothing to be proud of from a Humean view. And Macintyre finally characterizes modernism accurately as pretending to be objective when in fact it is just another socially constructed tradition like Aristotle or Aquinas, one which allows the principles of the marketplace to make moral decisions for the individual – even if the individual thinks they are making decisions themselves. Macintyre’s observations about what it takes to make a good ruler and a good society are painfully necessary in the vicious political cycle in which we find ourselves in postmodern global capitalism. Those of us who subscribe to a tradition that does value the poor and oppressed would do well to read this history. Recommended for philosophers, theologians, and graduate students of philosophy and theology in particular.
Macintyre’s depth of reading (particularly in obscure texts that support his argument) is staggering and his writing clear and occasionally humorous. I was most struck by his observation that extending the moral law in the Thomist tradition protects the poor and oppressed in a way that neither Aristotle nor Hume support – Aquinas says that if you have to steal bread to feed your family, that is moral! Likewise, Macintyre does a provocative job of illustrating how Hume’s theory of passions (with which I have been mostly sympathetic) is based on the notion that the best people are rich, classy, landowning Englishmen (Hume explicitly rejected his Scottish heritage because it wasn’t classy enough). Poor people have nothing to be proud of from a Humean view. And Macintyre finally characterizes modernism accurately as pretending to be objective when in fact it is just another socially constructed tradition like Aristotle or Aquinas, one which allows the principles of the marketplace to make moral decisions for the individual – even if the individual thinks they are making decisions themselves. Macintyre’s observations about what it takes to make a good ruler and a good society are painfully necessary in the vicious political cycle in which we find ourselves in postmodern global capitalism. Those of us who subscribe to a tradition that does value the poor and oppressed would do well to read this history. Recommended for philosophers, theologians, and graduate students of philosophy and theology in particular.
September 19, 2023
hvem lot han koke...?
September 3, 2023
There were portions of this book that were really difficult. MacIntyre is clearly very bright, and the depth of the discussion here is not lay-level but rather seems best situated for Academia. Nonetheless, there were plenty of portions that were immensely readable, and those portions were just remarkable. The basic argument of the book seems simple enough to follow. It’s the winding paths throughout that are at times difficult to traverse. All in all, this is a five star book if I’ve ever read one. Especially as a Christian, one happily a part of the Reformed Tradition, I found MacIntyre’s work here a heady encouragement full of fruits to be enjoyed in a number of ways. If you find yourself stymied by the idealogical pluralism of the modern public psyche, let alone wondering how to engage humbly and intelligently regarding matters of religion and faith, this is the book for you. A masterclass in moral philosophy.
“It is here that we have to begin speaking as protagonists of one contending party or fall silent…We, whoever we are, can only begin enquiry from the vantage pointed afforded by our relationship to some specific social and intellectual past through which we have affiliated ourselves to some particular tradition of enquiry, extending the history of that enquiry into the present: as Aristotelian, as Augustinian, as Thomist, as Humean, as post-Enlightenment liberal, or as something else. For each of us, therefore, the question now is: To what issues does that particular history bring us in contemporary debate? What resources does our particular tradition afford in this situation? Can we by means of those resources understand the achievements and successes, and the failures and sterilities, of rival traditions more adequately than their own adherents can? More adequately by our standards? More adequately also by theirs? It is insofar as the histories narrated in this book lead on to answers to these questions that they also hold the promise of answering these questions: Whose justice? Which rationality?” (P. 401-402)
“It is here that we have to begin speaking as protagonists of one contending party or fall silent…We, whoever we are, can only begin enquiry from the vantage pointed afforded by our relationship to some specific social and intellectual past through which we have affiliated ourselves to some particular tradition of enquiry, extending the history of that enquiry into the present: as Aristotelian, as Augustinian, as Thomist, as Humean, as post-Enlightenment liberal, or as something else. For each of us, therefore, the question now is: To what issues does that particular history bring us in contemporary debate? What resources does our particular tradition afford in this situation? Can we by means of those resources understand the achievements and successes, and the failures and sterilities, of rival traditions more adequately than their own adherents can? More adequately by our standards? More adequately also by theirs? It is insofar as the histories narrated in this book lead on to answers to these questions that they also hold the promise of answering these questions: Whose justice? Which rationality?” (P. 401-402)
July 3, 2022
I picked this book up because its thesis was so interesting. In 'After Virtue', a fascinating book, MacIntyre laid out critical problems in the way ethics is discussed and demonstrated a major breakdown in our ability to talk and argue with one another about morals. In this book, he was to discuss how to choose between different ethical traditions, and presumably lay out how to know which one was right.
Most of the book was then a study of how ethical traditions form, operate, and interact, particularly focusing on Aristotle, Aquinas, Hume, and liberalism. MacIntyre demonstrated the incredible breadth of his scholarship by being able to discuss technical details in the translation of Homer at the beginning; detailed knowledge of the culture of the schoolmen in the middle ages; to an analysis of the various ways critical theorists like Derrida interact with tradition in the 20th century. The writing was dense and difficult and could have used some more footnotes.
Throughout most of the text, the thesis remained obscure and it was only in the final pages that it became clear why he had laid out the history of the various traditions so (almost pedantically) thoroughly. His proposal of how to avoid relativism and perspectivism was good and I've certainly come away from this book with a better appreciation of how traditions work and relate to culture and to ethics. The answer he gives to the question of how to choose between traditions is useful, and the thesis benefits from the detail he has gone into but a similar answer could definitely have been reached without so much detail so that there is a sense of being underwhelmed at the end, even if perhaps I should have known no firmer answer would be given.
Most of the book was then a study of how ethical traditions form, operate, and interact, particularly focusing on Aristotle, Aquinas, Hume, and liberalism. MacIntyre demonstrated the incredible breadth of his scholarship by being able to discuss technical details in the translation of Homer at the beginning; detailed knowledge of the culture of the schoolmen in the middle ages; to an analysis of the various ways critical theorists like Derrida interact with tradition in the 20th century. The writing was dense and difficult and could have used some more footnotes.
Throughout most of the text, the thesis remained obscure and it was only in the final pages that it became clear why he had laid out the history of the various traditions so (almost pedantically) thoroughly. His proposal of how to avoid relativism and perspectivism was good and I've certainly come away from this book with a better appreciation of how traditions work and relate to culture and to ethics. The answer he gives to the question of how to choose between traditions is useful, and the thesis benefits from the detail he has gone into but a similar answer could definitely have been reached without so much detail so that there is a sense of being underwhelmed at the end, even if perhaps I should have known no firmer answer would be given.
September 2, 2022
“Justiça de quem? Qual racionalidade?” foi publicado em 1988.
MacIntyre analisa quatro tradições sobre justiça e racionalidade prática: 1) tradição aristotélica; 2) tradição agostiniana; 3) a mistura escocesa de agostinismo calvinista e aristotelismo renascentista; e 4) a tradição liberal.
Argumento de MacIntyre: existem racionalidades conflitantes sobre justiça, mas é preciso fazer uma pesquisa racional para superar os conflitos através da análise das racionalidades em seus contextos.
Do capítulo II ao VIII, MacIntyre discute a tradição aristotélica, mas para isso ele volta à imaginação homérica, passa pela Atenas de Péricles, Tucídedes e Platão, e chega à defesa dos bens de excelência sobre os bens de eficácia em Aristóteles.
Do capítulo XIX ao XI, MacIntyre discute justiça para Agostinho e mostra como Tomás buscou superar o conflito das tradições aristotélica e agostiniana.
Do capítulo XII ao XVII, MacIntyre trata da tentativa de mistura escocesa de agostinismo calvinista e aristotelismo renascentista. Aqui temos uma discussão de tentativas protestantes de racionalização da moral até o ceticismo metafísico de Hume e as críticas de Reid.
No capítulo XVII, MacIntyre discute sobre como o liberalismo virou tradição: ao passo que o liberalismo propôs a emancipação da tradição, ele mesmo se revelou uma tradição inconclusa sobre justiça e moral.
Nos três últimos capítulos, MacIntyre 1) argumenta em defesa de uma racionalidade prática das tradições, 2) rejeita o relativismo e perspectivismo moral, 3) trata da dificuldade da comunicação e tradução de conceitos e ideias entre as tradições, 4) e sustenta que a racionalidade depende de quem somos, de nosso contexto e da história das crenças em que estamos inseridos.
MacIntyre analisa quatro tradições sobre justiça e racionalidade prática: 1) tradição aristotélica; 2) tradição agostiniana; 3) a mistura escocesa de agostinismo calvinista e aristotelismo renascentista; e 4) a tradição liberal.
Argumento de MacIntyre: existem racionalidades conflitantes sobre justiça, mas é preciso fazer uma pesquisa racional para superar os conflitos através da análise das racionalidades em seus contextos.
Do capítulo II ao VIII, MacIntyre discute a tradição aristotélica, mas para isso ele volta à imaginação homérica, passa pela Atenas de Péricles, Tucídedes e Platão, e chega à defesa dos bens de excelência sobre os bens de eficácia em Aristóteles.
Do capítulo XIX ao XI, MacIntyre discute justiça para Agostinho e mostra como Tomás buscou superar o conflito das tradições aristotélica e agostiniana.
Do capítulo XII ao XVII, MacIntyre trata da tentativa de mistura escocesa de agostinismo calvinista e aristotelismo renascentista. Aqui temos uma discussão de tentativas protestantes de racionalização da moral até o ceticismo metafísico de Hume e as críticas de Reid.
No capítulo XVII, MacIntyre discute sobre como o liberalismo virou tradição: ao passo que o liberalismo propôs a emancipação da tradição, ele mesmo se revelou uma tradição inconclusa sobre justiça e moral.
Nos três últimos capítulos, MacIntyre 1) argumenta em defesa de uma racionalidade prática das tradições, 2) rejeita o relativismo e perspectivismo moral, 3) trata da dificuldade da comunicação e tradução de conceitos e ideias entre as tradições, 4) e sustenta que a racionalidade depende de quem somos, de nosso contexto e da história das crenças em que estamos inseridos.
October 17, 2022
A very hard text, compared to his other works, but also that much more refined and focused. It gives an account of traditions of thought, their development, context, teaching as to describe their concepts of justice and rationality. The traditions discussed are platonic-aristotelian-augustinian-thomist which MacIntyre himself represents, Scottish calvinist-augustinians, humean and finally liberal tradition. The dialectic, which takes around 70% of the whole book, leads to certain interesting and hard to dispute conclusions, that rationality and justice, as far as human perception of them goes, are not two concepts, but a myriad which depends on the tradition it a part of. So justice will for the aristotelian be when something is done with virtue with the final teleological goal in view, which of course will be denied by the liberal, for whom there is no such thing as a one good, outside giving freedom to everyone to achieve his own freedom (as put by both Hayek and MacIntyre). Overall this may as well be the most captivating book on philosophy I've ever read, to the point where I talked about him for 20 minutes to my date. Highly recommended for everyone who has an interest in the essential text of critique of modernity.
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November 15, 2023Not even gonna rate this one.
‘After Virtue’ was excellent albeit challenging.
‘Whose Justice? Which Rationality?’ was impenetrable.
A book like this needs a top-tier editor. That need was not met here. I don’t mean that in the sense that there is fat to be trimmed, but rather that concise & digestible sentences are a desperately needed in order to comprehend this guy’s absurdly long and complex trains-of-thought.
The sentences in here are WAY too bloated. It seems like every sentence contains 4 points which each contain a subpoint that all have 3 subpoints - each of which have subpoints of their own - anyways, returning to the n-th degree subpoint to give a counterargument..by the way that counterpoint has 3 subpoints and presupposes at-the-finger-tip knowledge of the philosophies of Hume, Aquinas, and 40 obscure, minor philosophers…. etc.
For every chapter, you tirelessly labor over 20 pages -five minutes or more per page- just to find that the conclusion of the chapter is that there is no conclusion to the arguments laid out, AND that water is wet. Unbearable.
Again, ‘After Virtue’ was difficult - but MANAGEABLE.
This, on the other hand, was simply whack, yo.
‘After Virtue’ was excellent albeit challenging.
‘Whose Justice? Which Rationality?’ was impenetrable.
A book like this needs a top-tier editor. That need was not met here. I don’t mean that in the sense that there is fat to be trimmed, but rather that concise & digestible sentences are a desperately needed in order to comprehend this guy’s absurdly long and complex trains-of-thought.
The sentences in here are WAY too bloated. It seems like every sentence contains 4 points which each contain a subpoint that all have 3 subpoints - each of which have subpoints of their own - anyways, returning to the n-th degree subpoint to give a counterargument..by the way that counterpoint has 3 subpoints and presupposes at-the-finger-tip knowledge of the philosophies of Hume, Aquinas, and 40 obscure, minor philosophers…. etc.
For every chapter, you tirelessly labor over 20 pages -five minutes or more per page- just to find that the conclusion of the chapter is that there is no conclusion to the arguments laid out, AND that water is wet. Unbearable.
Again, ‘After Virtue’ was difficult - but MANAGEABLE.
This, on the other hand, was simply whack, yo.
December 12, 2021
This should be exactly my kind of jam, it's the kind of book that claims you can't understand the modern state of thinking around justice and rationality unless you go back to Homer in Ancient Greece. And his fundamental idea - that it is difficult to speak, reason, and debate around justice because people hold entirely different systems of justice and rationality, so arguing on rational grounds goes nowhere - is interesting and, I think, deeply true. Unfortunately, the bulk of the book that dives into the schools of justice, from Homer to Plato to Aristotle to Augustine to Aquinas to Hume, is really difficult to follow and for that reason, felt tedious. It's a book with fantastic ideas bogged down by ponderous writing.
July 16, 2023
Reads like a prequel to 'After Virtue'. Where 'After Virtue' diagnoses the issues with post-Enlightenment moral philosophy, 'Whose Justice? Which Rationality?' provides the history of traditions of moral inquiry up to the point that necessitates the questions answered by 'After Virtue'. By my reckoning the strongest of MacIntyre's so-called trilogy, and still relevant if not more so than when it was first published (sadly).
September 3, 2018
I'm pretty certain there are some important points in here, but I can't stomach the writing style.
Want to read
August 5, 2020Best book on the topic of justice according to Keller
September 14, 2021
Might stick with Aristotle myself. Too dense for my current context; maybe I'll go back and re-read this after some R&R.
May 5, 2022
Certified banger
February 4, 2023
Eight out of ten.
This wasn’t exactly what I expected, but it was good and fulfilled the purpose for which I read it, which was MacIntyre’s explanation of how different rational traditions interact (where they do at all). I hadn’t signed on for the three-hundred-odd pages of the history of Western philosophy that precede that explanation, though whatever forest I could see through the trees was interesting and, at least in the cases of Aristotle and Thomas Aquinas, helpful. That is, I anticipated MacIntyre’s argument that Thomism is the most complete rational system and found myself more sympathetic to that argument as it developed than I had expected I would be.
In spite of MacIntyre’s statement in the introduction that he intends this book to be accessible to anyone with a serious interest in its argument, I found its structure unorthodox and its syntax more than a little dense and convoluted. It seems Macintyre's thought joins rational traditions in the set of more-or-less-untranslatable things.
Whose Justice? Which Rationality? is an intellectual investment, but for the right people it can be a very rewarding one.
This wasn’t exactly what I expected, but it was good and fulfilled the purpose for which I read it, which was MacIntyre’s explanation of how different rational traditions interact (where they do at all). I hadn’t signed on for the three-hundred-odd pages of the history of Western philosophy that precede that explanation, though whatever forest I could see through the trees was interesting and, at least in the cases of Aristotle and Thomas Aquinas, helpful. That is, I anticipated MacIntyre’s argument that Thomism is the most complete rational system and found myself more sympathetic to that argument as it developed than I had expected I would be.
In spite of MacIntyre’s statement in the introduction that he intends this book to be accessible to anyone with a serious interest in its argument, I found its structure unorthodox and its syntax more than a little dense and convoluted. It seems Macintyre's thought joins rational traditions in the set of more-or-less-untranslatable things.
Whose Justice? Which Rationality? is an intellectual investment, but for the right people it can be a very rewarding one.
August 26, 2016
In “After Virtue”, MacIntyre laid down the foundation for a new way of thinking about philosophical moral discourse (and philosophical discourse in general, I would say), namely, by looking at the traditions within which the issues are framed and solved, or at least are tried to be solved. For it is only within a tradition (its language, its methodologies, its standards of evaluation; in short, its rationality) that theories can be understood. However, this new foundationalist project was left incomplete. MacIntyre faced the objection that his “traditionalism” left the door open for relativism. If a theory can only be understood and evaluated within its own tradition, and there are many traditions (Greek, Medieval, Modern, etc.), there seems to be no way to adjudicate between them. In “Whose Justice? Which Rationality?” MacIntyre expands his conception of a tradition and likens it to a scientific model. A tradition, therefore, can be judged as superior or inferior to another by its explanatory power or by the kind of progress it makes in solving its own internal problems. If a tradition leaves too many things unsolved, if it generates too many inconsistencies, etc., then it is judged poorly. Obviously, there are many more interesting and intriguing details involved, including implications for the philosophy of language; this is just a grossly condensed version of the main idea. It can be found in chapters 1, 18, 19, and 20. The rest of the book (chapters 2 through 17) serves mostly to illustrate it by taking a look of how the concept of justice has been dealt with by 4 different traditions: Greek, Medieval, Scottish and Liberal. Now, why would MacIntyre structure his book this way, i.e. stating his main thesis in the first and final chapters, leaving the rest to be mere illustration of his points? Honestly, I think this was ill conceived. The book could have been split into two, the first (very short) one containing just the main thesis, and the second one consisting of the histories of the main philosophical traditions, which would have facilitated the reading and spread of MacIntyre’s ideas. As it is, the reader is bound to get disoriented quickly after the first chapter, when history takes over the philosophical development of After Virtue. I also have to fault MacIntyre for the same deficiencies of his previous book, that is, his writing style. It is dry as the Sahara desert and heavily academic to the point of tedium. Excessive use of the passive construction, of nominalizations, of weak verbs, all make reading very difficult. This is a shame, considering that the ideas are of enormous value, especially in the area of ethics, where a good many conflicting theories, subsumed under the heading of a tradition, can be reduced in number and judged more easily. Were it not for the philosophical content, I would rate this book more poorly, but since the ideas are of such enormous consequence (in my opinion), I will rate this 4 stars. Very recommended, but be very patient.
March 2, 2023
Homesickness: the urge to be at home everywhere.
October 4, 2022
MacIntyre's sequel to 'After Virtue', 'Whose Justice? Which Rationality?' takes up where its prequel left off by offering a fuller portrait of his argument that justice and rationality are inseparable, and stem from a tradition - some of which are in better shape as ethical models for how to shape society. (That's only part of his project, for MacIntyre does SO much more to attack much of the absurdity of modern moral-ethical discourse through his book.) Another of his projects here is to argue that Thomistic Aristotelianism is the best ethical tradition in terms of how well it can be sustained in practice without suffering from moral relativism and contradiction. It's a wonderful book.
(What MacIntyre's true project has to do with is that universality of ethics, reason, and argument all emanate from some tradition and cannot exist in isolation. This is contra Enlightenment views, as well as postmodern Feminist/SJW views, though for different reasons.)
The first chapter begins ingeniously - he calls out individuals who demand impartiality in assessing ethical and rational traditions as being biased, and this is where the fun starts. A key feature of Mr. MacIntyre's work is that he's always devoted to being as objective as possible, even if that means dismissing impartiality as deluded bias because it forces liberal individualism to beg the conclusions it reaches in the argument it articulates. (It's circular logic - feminism/SJW/and other modern movements that deem themselves ethical and rational all defeat themselves by chewing the conclusions they proffer in the premises of their arguments.)
(What MacIntyre's true project has to do with is that universality of ethics, reason, and argument all emanate from some tradition and cannot exist in isolation. This is contra Enlightenment views, as well as postmodern Feminist/SJW views, though for different reasons.)
The first chapter begins ingeniously - he calls out individuals who demand impartiality in assessing ethical and rational traditions as being biased, and this is where the fun starts. A key feature of Mr. MacIntyre's work is that he's always devoted to being as objective as possible, even if that means dismissing impartiality as deluded bias because it forces liberal individualism to beg the conclusions it reaches in the argument it articulates. (It's circular logic - feminism/SJW/and other modern movements that deem themselves ethical and rational all defeat themselves by chewing the conclusions they proffer in the premises of their arguments.)
September 4, 2008
Written to address some of the criticism leveled against After Virtue, I think this book is the best of the "trilogy" (including the follow-up, Three Rival Versions of Moral Inquiry. MacIntyre's comprehension of the historical development of the ground of ethical reasoning is astonishing, and his ability to write about this development in such a readable way is also quite a feat. What makes MacIntyre really worth reading is that he is able to integrate or deflect a lot of the post-modern critique of traditional ethics while remaining essentially Aristotelian (of the Thomistic variety).
January 3, 2009
A long and somewhat inconclusive book. When I finished, I felt that I understood thoroughly what MacIntyre means by “tradition,” and was convinced that he's right about the basic dynamics of traditions of enquiry. Worth reading because it fleshes out what he says in After Virtue, and (perhaps unintentionally) hints at ways in which liberal democracy can be conceived of and appreciated as such a tradition.
September 4, 2011
A tremendously influential work but a difficult read as compared to 'After Virtue'; probably because most of the readers including myself are not well familiar with all the moral, philosophical and cultural traditions referred in the book. I loved the last part about Hume and the Chapter about resolving the conflict between traditions. Overall, an amazing read supplying lots of important questions.
April 11, 2021
MacIntyre's history of ethical debate, and defense of Aristotelianism and Thomism. It's marred by vague meandering writing, by his sneering attitude towards contemporary liberalism (with no acknowledgement of the flaws of the systems that liberalism is a reaction to), and by his straw-man account of relativism. Nevertheless he has a good historical sense and may be worthwhile for anyone studying this particular historical train of ethical debate.
December 9, 2011
A splendid piece of intellectual history. MacIntyre unfolds several different rationalities at odds with one another, confronting modern society with the unrecognized depth of the disagreement between different "views." A follow-up to his After Virtue.
September 1, 2014
Difficult concepts must be struggled with. This is a book to keep re-reading and extracting the idea of justice. MacIntyre is definitely an idea maker to be wrestled with, a modern Thomasist and Aristotlean of great import to all our lives.
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